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improve the turnover of parking because as it is in general there are more cars registered in san francisco than there are curb side spaces, period. irrespective of blue placards, there would be no way we could establish any ratio, because as you do that, as the population shifts and as more people age and more aged develop a disability you wind up with larger and larger numbers of blue placards. the idea is to conform to a national standard and manage the parking through enforcement and monitoring. that's the way we're doing it. >> commissioner dooley. >> did you say 2.5 million placards in california and 500,000 are here in the bay area? >> yeah.
>> do you have any numbers to compare? i'm just curious, like, los angeles or san diego, how many of that 2.5 million are down there. >> 21 [inaudible]. >> bay area's nine counties that touch the bay. >> that's bigger, that's definitely not san francisco. >> that's for how many areas for how many placards are in there. i could definitely get those. >> i'm just curious and why there's a difference. >> we have gotten requests and comments from other major jurisdictions about what we're doing so la, san diego, san jose are quite itly monitoring us, letting us be the first-out of the gate with the recommended changes. we will be presenting later to the
accessible parking what they can tell us about blue placards in los angeles city, los angeles county, san diego city, county, sacramento city, county. we can ask for that too. >> thank you. >> i did hear the stats for sacramento county once and it was similarly mind boggling. a lot of other cities have been struggling with this in california. >> i just want to let you know that the vice chair of california commission on disability access and he has let me know that he's interested in what the commission's recommendations are going to be. that's a state body that is also taking a look at reck men recommendations that this advisory is putting forward.
>> they gave us positive oral comments about our program. >> does anybody know what he thought of this program -- >> he likes it. >> let's open it up to public comment? any members of the public that would like to make any comments on item six? seeing none, public comment is closed. i'd just like to weigh in. i do like this. i like the fact -- one thing is -- about having to pay for the meter space, that's only fair because it is the turnover ratio. it's almost as if, like, you know, there's -- being equal and especially on the turn overbecause i do see that abuse where people do park for a full week in handy cap zones and so it's street cleaning day and there are other people who
would like to use that spot that can't and i know of some situations where people use it to park all day while they're at work and commute downtown and i just think that's unfair. and the turnover, if you have the turnover then you have more people coming and shopping and going to the businesses in the neighborhood so i personally support this measure. commissioners, do we have any recommendations? >> would anybody go along with the idea of -- as we do put a policy or motion to approve this, would anybody go along with a suggestion on the end of the motion to ask them to consider increasing parking, adding parking facilities to the city to just relieve overall congestion? >> absolutely. >> i would. >> okay. i'm willing to make a motion to
support this as it's being presented today, but i'd like to also include with that a recommendation that the sfmta and their part in this would revisit possibility of adding parking facilities in the city as part of the overall solution to the congestion problem, and that's my motion. >> i'll second it. >> roll call. >> commissioner adams. >> i. >> commissioner dooley. >> i. >> commissioner dwight.. >> i. >> riley. >> i. >> commissioner white. >> i. commissioner ortiz-cartagena. the motion passes seven to
zero. thank you very much. you doing item number seven. >> review and discussion on recommendations on sfmta [inaudible]. >> thank you commissioners. just -- we have our ongoing matter regarding the sfmta and small business. the commission had a meeting on may 6 and, um, i want to appreciate director ed reskin
for his continued interest to help serve our small businesses, but also how to do that with the mandate he has as well, being the director of sfmta. so two things are happening as a result of this, and that is from the small business leaders meeting t group that meets with the mayor quarterly, a working group is being developed of the businesses to begin a discussion and dialogue with the sfmta and a meeting is scheduled for that in early november . thank you commissioner adams for reaching out to the sfmta chair of the board, so we are going to have a joint hearing with sfmta board and small
business commission. majority of boards generally have some sort of -- they provide governance and direction to a regulatory agency so they have very specific things they work with like with the planning department, the planning code, the sfmta has their plan, the [inaudible] policy. there's thing they work with that govern themselves by. the small business commission, you're an advisory body and so we don't necessarily have those kind of things delineated out so what i would like to do is take the opportunity for this commission to help us help you
in preparation for the joint hearing on information that you may need, things that we might help formulate that we want to present to the sfmta board. this is just kind of a beginning structure of what to think and then we have our outreach committee meeting, which they can help work on some of these or start formulating and flushing and then we have our november meet /-ging and then a potential proposed date for a joint hearing is early december. unfortunately later than that the sfmta is starting january they have all their mou's and every single mou with every employee entity is up for renewal in year that they have to get resolved before the budget season goes into budget season. so we're going to need to do
this before the end of the year. you know, i any we'll be able to do it. i wanted to just recap on may 6 some recommendations that the commission had made after the hearing and one is the mayor appoints a small business owner to the sfmta board, the small business is a stake holder related to the bicycle advisory committee, pedestrian committee, walk sf livable cities, require sfmta staff to meet with osb staff before initiating a project in a business area, require that sfmta staff come before the small business commission at the start of a project in a business district. the outreach needs to happen early in the design and development phase and dedicate staff to be a liaison to the
business community. those are some of the recommendations. we can solidify those, continue to work on them, continue to expand on them. i put forward just kind of some list of questions that have come up through some discussions with the commission, committee, the council of district merchants with the small business leaders, with the mayor, various things, so i'll run through and i'm just going to read them through and we can have a discussion on are these areas of interest you'd like to get more information before we have our joint hearing. how does the sfmta determine whether or not all means of the vehicular traffic can be accommodated on a street? is there a distinction of types of uses in the transit plan for residential streets and
commercial streets? are traffic alterations codified in the transportation code prior to implementation of a plan? when the sfmta proposes the removal of parking meters how does it offset the loss in revenue. how are parking principles and goals applied when of types of business activities in a project area? does it review the zoning for the areas and apply the principles of the master plan, which is the planning department's master plan, when designing a project area? how do they plan for the facilitation of commerce? does there need to be a thorough analysis of loading zones? and i think this is probably a
citywide analysis. how loading zones are not utilized, how are deliveries made, types of delivery vehicles? types of delivery vehicles need to be in that completed in the information in the information development of design. census need to be done before the city takes steps in doing dedicated bike lanes, bicycle tracks. need to help small businesses access loading zones so we have situations -- we had a recent situation with la cacina where they put in a loading zone in front of there, but because their businesses are small businesses, they don't have commercial vehicles or can't get commercial tags for their vehicles so therefore started getting ticketed. that is more of a state legislation, but, you know, i think part of the thing that we
may want to present to the sfmta board is we would like to see some creative ideas and staff work on some solutions to help all of our small businesses. does the sfmta do an assessment or analysis of green zone use and the impact of removing the green zones when designing a project area. does there need to be an economic impact report where impact will create a significant change. using polk street as an example, how do certain areas of a city get factor /spwaod a plan especially when you have both sides of an area which will have significant dedication to bicycle lanes. sometimes these things seem to be in conflict and we have other initiatives that also utilize that space and so --
>> loading zones. >> yeah. and i'd like to also note from you what information you may need ahead of the hearing to review the sfmta's strategic plan for 2013, '18, get information on that are transit first policy, information on their current plans, bicycle plans, roll and function of the bicycle advisory, pedestrian advisory committee, if there's any sort of internal policies in terms of rules and functions and they work with specific organizations like the bike organization and other committees that do advise them or they consult with. and then what information do you think the sfmta needs to hear that we can help organize nice organize and put together to present to the sfmta board.
>> regina, one of the things i'd like to see and hear is -- i know we had an issue in our corridor, is the determination of bus shelters and their locations. >> that's a good one. >> and their outreach with that because we had a bus shelter that was placed right in front of one of our small businesses and it blocks [inaudible]. >> mm-hm. >> i'd like toe review a lot of this information. i mean, if it's in print, certainly the first door -- >> good to know. >> i'd like to review it. >> yeah, i would too. >> it would be good to take a look at all the plans. >> absolutely. >> compare and see if there's any contradictions. >> well, the one contradiction was, you know, supervisor wiener had that legislation on
double parkers. if you have it on polk street where they are taking you out for bike lanes and you have the double parking issue, where are those people going to go to load and unload. i'm seeing that more and more in the merchant corridors. that's why i'm glad they have the loading zones 'cause i hear that from a lot of small businesses, a lot get their deliveries -- they're taking them now in the middle of the night which the neighbors don't like that because it's the night taking loading zones, but that's when it's gotta happen now because of some of these new restrictions so something's got to give here. >> see some of the loading trucks, they put in the middle of the street. >> yeah. and you're starting to see more and more of that. if you go down valencia street in the middle of the day you will see the trucks, especially the restaurant trucks loading
and unloading, not off to the side, but right in the middle of the street, which is blocking traffic and everybody gets upset. >> i think that's important with the economic impact report that i know they're suggested on columbus avenue that they remove the loading zones and when i read the eir it said huge impact, not mitigatable, nothing to be done to relace them. you know, that's just crazy, you know. i mean, you got to do something. >> right, and similarly also i went last week i went to a presentation for folsom street between... >> 11th and -- >> and 4th or 2nd, yes. they're doing a pilot project. this project seems to be
relatively okay. they're keeping the parking and doing a bike lane along one side of the street, but ultimately the proposal -- currently some of the design ideas down the road are both sides of the street and that street has heavy pdr and businesses that rely on their getting either deliveries or they're the type of businesses that have deliveries going in and out multiple times a day. i think that those are the things that will be helpful for us to say a neighborhood commercial district is not the same as a street like folsom which is heavy pdr, so the types of business uses and parking next to the curb are different, while you might say parking is the same. then the
other thing -- what was interesting for me is the painting of the green stripes and there's a whole education component of this in terms of how they're designing it and where vehicles -- you know, where they're proposing for vehicles and the bicycle lanes to sort of merge so that cars and trucks can make a right hand turn. i think that needs to be some thought out -- i said are you going to write on the street for right turn enter here and they hadn't thought about that so i think that's where there's potential of risk with that because i -- you know, and even after having this conversation and knowing sort of, like, the serrated green stripe means that's where a vehicle can pass through, as i was coming home i
wanted to make a right on to 9th street and realized oh, i had passed that serrated area. you know, even though i had that conversation, i am still not accustomed in my mind, you know, of that's where i enter to make the right hand turn and so being cognizant of that, you know, i went up a couple more blocks before i made my right hand turn instead of doing it, but i think that there needs to be a good deal of education. you know, if we're going to be making these significant shifts on how we're using the streets for people who drive vehicles and then ensuring how are we also ensuring that we can be confident that people are riding bicycles are -- i think there's an assumption that -- while probably 85 percent --
i'm just making up percentages, but a high percentage of people who ride bicycles also have a driver's license, but there are people who don't. we may see more and more individuals who are riding bicycles who may not necessarily have had a driver's license and so know the rules of the road as well. so i any that's a conversation -- it's a broader conversation but that's something that could be added to it as well. >> i wanted to add to things that we'd like to have the sfmta look at ahead is the draft eir citywide. i actually contacted someone about the columbus avenue part of it and they said didn't even know it existed and that lays out these plans citywide.
it's 800 pages, but you can go through it, which is what we did in our neighborhood to see what parts were about columbus after and that's where we saw that they had these impacts that were extremely negative and had no suggestions for mitigation. i found that to be very interesting to look at and i would request they look at it and we do also. you know, we could pull out the parts that are relevant because it's citywide, but it pretty much goes through every commercial corridor that's projected to have changes. >> commissioner riley. >> yes, i want to follow what commissioner dooley was talking about. i said that we need to see the six items prior to the meeting so we can identify areas of concern, and i also think that mta needs to see all of that as well so they can identify areas
that are contradicting or impacting each others's plan and they can come prepared toens d answer some of the questions. i think that would be more productive. >> director. >> i was going to have more follow up questions but i'll let commissioners go. >> commissioner ortiz. >> maybe something they can provide in the parking plans [inaudible] the data on their vacancies so we can get a grasp of all the parking facilities across the city. checking their occupancy levels and maybe we could devise something with sfmta and small business merchants to see how we can fill them up or if we
need more ma /tpa 'til says facilities in the city. >> i think one thing we need more is public signage for our public parking lots. we have one that's sort of in between north beach and china town and it's not heavily using and there's no signage for people coming in and we want to encourage everyone to use these parking lots. >> there's signage on kearney street i think showing how many vacancies. >> right, but it would be nice to have some signs that say public parking garage with a sign. >> we have the new ones so i know the ones you're talking about. it's interesting, there is no big sign -- that's the one where northern state now is central police station is. right, there's no sign for that
one. there's signs for all the other ones around there but no sign for that one. >> we need to double check on all and make sure they all have parking. it would be helpful on major corridors like columbus or broad way in that neighborhood -- a sign that says public parking garage that way. >> that garage several years ago when i was in the parking industry, it always had vacancy high. >> right. same thing -- we want to bring up using that garage, nighttime traffic and with people looking for parking it's very high in that area, especially on weekends. i would love to talk to mta about, you know, extending their hours on weekend nights when neighborhoods are mobbed with people going to restaurants and bars and nightclubs. you don't
have that closed and empty. it just seems like it's kind of anti all our policies. get those cars off the street and that'd be something i'd like to talk to them about. >> do you think there is any value to to -- i was just thinking as the job squad was here doing a presentation, you know, of informing the sfmta that especially for businesses in our neighborhood, commercial /-rbl districts, they're talking about the quality of life on the street, but also if there's a crack on the sidewalk the city comes to them to repair this crack in the sidewalk. in there's graffiti then the city comes to them for that. we're now having a special fee on your register. there's paid sick leave, healthcare, security ordinance. there's so much that we as a city are laying on businesses
and so for them to kind of understand that landscape so that when that comes in -- for them to understand that businesses see the sfmta as part of the entire city and not just its separate entity. it's seeing as one other thing you're doing that may impede my ability to get income, but i have to pay, but you're requiring me to pay to help keep sidewalks maintained, to pay -- there's so much that we're asking businesses to pay into the city. i just wanted to know if you think there's any value to -- it doesn't
necessarily have to be at the hearing, but a way to present to the sfmta to answer the landscape of which our businesses primarily in our neighborhood, commercial district and the businesses along the commercial corridors have to deal with in interface with the city, so when one more thing comes there may be other stuff behind their response and why that may be. >> i think that's a good idea. also address the frustration that small businesses have when all these infrastructure projects that mta is pushing forward on and, as you say, then all of us are paying all these extra fees and then we feel like mta's -- we don't have any recourse to discuss things with them.
>> do we need to take public comment on this? >> we do. >> any members of the public who would like to comment on item number seven. seeing that public comment is closed. >> i think what i'd like to do is -- christian can work with this and massage it and present to the outreach committee sort of maybe a little bit more of a -- put it together a little more into a tighter package and then come back for the next commission meeting in november with something that you can affirm, that you would like to sends over to the sfmta board. >> do we have a date? >> november 18 and i was going to do that during my presidential part. >> that's for the joint committee?